Monday, November 20, 2006

 
Dahlia Wasfi speaks at Iraq Forum

A must-view segment.

Please forward to Politicians and the media.

Comments:
She is correct. Noone 7,000 miles away can know what is really happening. Her example of using Katrina and New Orleans shows her ignorance of what happened in the USA. The local, state and federal governments were not coordinated, and especially the local government, which is the spearhead of handling Katrina, failed by not preparing for evacuation let alone levy maintenance. They used money for levee maintenance on pet projects instead. The state government only activated a fraction of the national guard available before Katrina hit. Having the guard in Iraq in Lousiana would have been useless because they wouldn't have been activated in time to do anything. The federal government's job is to back up the local and state governments, but there was no practice done to coordinate their efforts.

As for depleted uranium, it is a heavy metal meaning it settles quickly, it doesn't stay in the air. As a heavy metal, its danger is the same as a heavy metal like lead. The result of heavy metal ingestion is gout and colic among adults and retarded development among children as the heavy metal replaces calcium, iron and zinc but doesn't have the same reaction needed by the body. For depleted uranium to have this effect on people, they would have to be ingesting the particles on surfaces near impact sites without washing. This happened in the USA when children ate soil infused with byproducts of leaded gasoline or leaded paint chips.

It is amusing that she blames the USA for supporting the Shiites' failed attempt to oust Saddam and now calls for the USA to leave them alone to figure Iraq out themselves. If they weren't able to handle Saddam themselves, how are they going to handle this problem which is far worse than under Saddam in her own words?

She is a liberal posing as someone who speaks for the Iraqi people. The Iraqi people hopefully are not liberals like her because if they are, it means that they won't have the backbone to face down the extremists who use tactics of terror and intimidation that liberals are susceptible to.
 
Waffaa this Iraqiamerican girl is so right on to things. She and Faiza who is next to her are heroes!
 
Responding to the comment from sang j. moon:
1) On New Orleans, check out Michael Eric Dyson's "Come Hell or High Water: Hurricane Katrina and the Color of Disaster;

2) On depleted uranium, check out articles by Major Doug Rokke, the Pentagon's number one geoscientist (http://www.liberatethis.com/conscientiousobjection-ivaw_to_depleteduranium.html);

3) On your characterization of me as a spineless liberal, I've been called worse. :) Those who cannot refute the facts typically resort to personal attacks.
For more information, please visit www.liberatethis.com.
Best wishes,
Dahlia
 
dahlia, you are beautiful and brilliant. viva la resistance
 
dahlia,
Michael Eric Dyson is known for attacking other blacks for "acting white". He is a poor person for anything remotely factual not only because of his reverse discrimination but because he is a radio personality who says what he says to gain ratings and money. Read works by John Ogbu to see why Dyson isn't someone you should proudly proclaim.
Doug Rokke, frankly, has an agenda. His "expert" statements aren't backed up with any rigorous research. The WHO has a more comprehensive study at:

http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/en/Report_WHO_depleted_uranium_Eng.pdf

"8
Aerosols route
Depleted uranium particles or aerosols formed following impact and ignition on a hard
target will be dispersed and deposited on the ground. It is reported that most of the
depleted uranium dust will be deposited within a distance of 100m from the target (US
Army Corps of Engineers 1997). People, most likely soldiers, close to an impact could
therefore be exposed to dust by inhalation. UNEP (2000) has estimated that the inhalation
and ingestion of depleted uranium contaminated dust, even under extreme conditions, and
shortly after the impact of projectiles, as determined by the amount of dust that can be
inhaled, would be less than about 10 millisieverts (mSv). This represents about half the
annual dose limit for radiation workers. The exposure of civilians to dust and smoke at
the time of an attack is less likely. Deposited uranium dust might slowly be transformed
through environmental weathering processes into more mobile and soluble forms
(discussed elsewhere in this section) and dispersed in the environment by air currents.
9
Fragments
During the Gulf War, soldiers were exposed to depleted uranium by ‘friendly fire’.
Fragments from penetrating depleted uranium rounds are embedded in the bodies of
several soldiers and others inhaled depleted uranium aerosols generated by the impact of
the depleted uranium munitions penetrating the target. Thirty-three US veterans seriously
injured in friendly fire incidents have been monitored by the Baltimore Veteran
Administration Medical Center since 1993. About half of them have depleted uranium
fragments in their bodies. A subsequent study considered 29 veterans from the original
33. Though these veterans have higher concentrations of uranium in their urine,
indicating that depleted uranium is being oxidized by body fluids, no adverse kidney
effects have been observed (McDiarmid 1998 and 2000; US Department of Defense
2000).
External contact route
Picking up a penetrator and keeping it in a pocket is the only realistic way of a long
period of exposure to external (beta) radiation from depleted uranium. Snihs & Åkerblom
(2000) stated that by keeping it in the same position for several weeks, it might be
possible that the dose administered to the skin would exceed the skin dose limit for the
general population, though not that of radiation workers. The effect of such exposure
would be localized and the delivered dose would not be sufficient to cause any
deterministic effect.
Agricultural route
The possibility was mentioned to the mission that uranium dust might become
incorporated in vegetables and crops. The mission was advised by the Food and
Agricultural Organization of the United Nations (FAO) that in the published literature
there are no known plants that preferentially accumulate uranium and the normal amounts
of uranium taken up in plants would not be expected to be dangerous to humans, birds or
other animals (communications between the mission team and FAO in January and
February 2001).
Drinking water route
The final plausible route of exposure of the population is through drinking water
contaminated by migration of soluble depleted uranium compounds in ground or surface
water. In particular, possible contamination of wells or spring protection tanks close to an
attack site from pieces of depleted uranium might be an isolated occurrence and its
relevance should be considered further.
Absorption of depleted uranium
If or when a person comes into contact with depleted uranium from a penetrator, there is
no known immediate or acute risk to life. Furthermore, the radio-medicine literature
provides no evidence to assume that a person having contact (either externally or
internally) with depleted uranium will develop an illness. The onset of any illness argued
to be due to depleted uranium has to be related to the amount of radiation dose or amount
of toxic chemical to which a person has been exposed (US Department of Defense 2000).
Absorption of depleted uranium in the body following inhalation or ingestion is very
limited. Mean absorption following inhalation exposure is about 0.8 to 0.9%, with less
soluble compounds as uranium oxides remaining in the lungs. Absorption following
ingestion also depends on the solubility of the uranium compounds, but is also limited at
between 1 to 2% of the ingested amount with the remainder passed out in faeces
(UNEP/UNCHS Balkans Task Force 1999).
Most of the small amount of uranium that is absorbed in the body (about 70%) will be
filtered out by the kidneys and excreted in urine within 24 hours. The remaining part will
be distributed to the skeleton, liver and kidneys. The time to excrete half of this
remaining uranium is in the range of six months to one year.
Health effects
The radiological toxicity of depleted uranium is primarily confined to body cells that are
susceptible to the effects of alpha and beta radiation. It is therefore thought that inhaled
depleted uranium particles may lead to damage of lung cells and might increase the
possibility of lung cancer.
Epidemiological studies provide consistent and convincing evidence of excess lung
cancer, but not of leukaemia, related to alpha particle exposure among uranium miners
(IARC1988; US NAS 1999). However, this effect is attributed to be related to exposure
to gaseous decay products (radon). The risk of lung cancer appears to be proportional to
the radiation dose received. Indeed, among nuclear workers involved in uranium
processing (whose exposures to alpha particles from uranium are less than those of
miners), no consistent excess of lung cancer has been found (NCRP 1978; NRC 1988;
NIH 1994; Cardis & Richardson 2000; IARC 2001).
Kidney dysfunction is considered the main chemically induced toxic effect of depleted
uranium in humans, though this is thought to be reversible (Priest 2001). Until now, a
study of 29 Gulf War veterans with embedded fragments of depleted uranium in their
bodies has not shown adverse kidney effects (McDiarmid et al. 1998 & 2000).
The risk of kidney effects following ingestion of depleted uranium depends on the
amount of soluble uranium compounds present (effects increase with higher solubility).
Information on the presence of soluble uranium compounds following the use or
degradation of depleted uranium penetrators is therefore essential to evaluate the
potential risk of developing kidney dysfunction."
 
First, Michael Eric Dyson's work and social commentary speak for themselves (by the way, in addition to being a "radio personality," he's a professor at Penn).
Second, the WHO report you linked was military-funded, and clearly states that "the accepted latency
period before the clinical identification of leukaemia from any ionizing radiation or other
relevant exposures is at least two to five years. This is a period longer than has elapsed
since the end of the Kosovo conflict in mid-1999." In addition, "[a] review of the health and population statistics for Kosovo before the conflict and the fragmented data collected after the conflict suggests that a thorough investigation of cancer trends in Kosovo will not be a simple task."

Dyson has an agenda, Doug Rokke has an agenda, and perhaps all individuals who contradict you have an agenda as well.
"The truth shall set you free...but first it will make you uncomfortable."--Mark Twain

www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
“Poisonous Legacy” Video

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/041115roco04
“Weapons of Self-Destruction” Vanity Fair

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/11-20/19news02.htm
“What Is Depleted Uranium?” (June 2005)

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/11-20/19news03.htm
“A Scientific Perspective: An Interview With LEUREN MORET, Geoscientist” (2005)

http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?id=594
“The War Against Ourselves” by Major Doug Rokke, Ph.D., Former Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project (Spring 2005)

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/11-20/19news04.htm
“A Military Perspective: An Interview With MAJOR DOUG ROKKE, Ph.D Former Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project” (2005)

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/11-20/19news05.htm
“A Survivor’s Perspective: An Interview with MELISSA STERRY, Gulf War Veteran” (2005)

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2005/0511029.html
“An Arab-American Priest, Depleted Uranium, and Iraq” (November 2005)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-12-radiation-soldiers_x.htm?POE=click-refer
“Is an Armament Sickening U.S. Soldiers?” (August 12, 2006)

http://www.democracynow.org/ article.pl? sid=06/09/ 07/1643226
“Court Hearing on Suit Filed by Iraq Veterans Contaminated with Depleted Uranium Against U.S. Military” (September 7, 2006)
 
dahlia,

Michael Eric Dyson's work and social commentary do speak for themselves. They show, as John Ogbu has researched, that Dyson tries to belong to the counter culture that distrusts not only "white" institutions but attacks blacks who speak against the counter culture as "acting white" as he did Bill Cosby. It should be obvious how this attitude colors his views of Katrina.

As for leukemia and cancer in Kosovo given enough time to be detected from DU, it's a good thing they did a followup two years later:

http://enrin.grida.no/htmls/kosovo/SoE/dueffect.htm

"In 2001 WHO and the (then) Department of Health and Public Welfare have looked into the incidence of leukemia in Kosovo. Records at Pristina Hospital for the past four years were examined and doctors from district hospitals have been interviewed. The initial survey indicated that the incidence of leukemia in Kosovo has not increased. WHO and the Department of Health and Social Welfare point out that, although record are not perfect, any significant increase in cancers such as leukemia would have been noticed. Doctors state that it takes a minimum of two to three years for the symptoms of leukemia to be detected."

If you don't trust the WHO and UN, there is nothing rational that will change your beliefs.
 
You are quoting the same study from 2001--2 years after the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia--which confirms my point that the "incubation" period for malignancies was insufficient. For readers who are interested, here are a few more articles about the effects of depleted uranium:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/ud_main.html

In solidarity,
Dahlia
 
dahlia,

I guess you missed the part of the quote that said "WHO and the Department of Health and Social Welfare point out that, although record are not perfect, any significant increase in cancers such as leukemia would have been noticed."

So far, I've only seen leftist rants and anecdotes from your posts and links. There has been nothing close to the analysis done by the WHO who have more expertise and experience than anyone you have mentioned. Do you have hard data?
 
Weak.
 
To Sang Moon

I don't think that any hard data from Dahlia would satisfy you because your agenda, from reading your comments, is to disagree, keep arguing and have the last words. The minute lables like leftist or right are being used in the discussion, we reach to no conclusion and keep arguing, which is not productive. So I decided not to allow anymore comments. I think you've said enough. I am also overwhelmed with plenty, so I need no more of this reading and writing follow up! Wishing you all the best in your endeavors.
 


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